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Feelings about Foundation Concepts


My understanding of spirituality becomes clearer the more I interact with people.  But much more than anything else, it has been through facing the way I am raising my son that has helped me understand who God must be, and who I can still be.



1. Either there is no Creator - or - there is one Creator of our universe who is perfect, conscious, and has a perfect purpose for us.  Anything in between can be ignored.

I am a parent.  Sometimes my son does things that really tick me off.  But I've thought about this a lot... is there anything that my son could do that would cause me to sentence him to an eternity of pain and suffering!?

I've thought about this pretty hard, but no! there is nothing. I love him too much!

What is the worst thing he could do?  Kill someone else I love?  Yes, and that would be really really bad.  But would I choose to torture him for eternity for this crime?.  Could I not find the least little bit of compassion to believe that fundamentally he still has a good soul and that he still needs my love and compassion?  I suppose some people come to hate their children but I cannot.

My point is this, if I, or other parents who are better then I, are at least this compassionate already, and I can imagine other parents being even better, then God must already be way way beyond this.  I mean, if there is a God (and yeah sometimes it seems like there isn't!) and if he has been alive for eternity, then he has to be much much better at compassion then I, or anyone else, or anything we can imagine.

I grew up with the idea of a punishing God.  One who judges harshly, condemns quickly, and punishes physically.  And at first I treated my son and step kids the same way.  But now this seems ridiculous and feels horrible.  As I found the courage to see myself as they saw me, and remembered what it felt like to be treated that way, I looked for, found, and worked hard to learn ways to raise them and teach them discipline without punishment, physical or emotional.  I was amazed, there are some great approaches to raising kids that nobody tells us anything about, and the results for me have been fantastic.  I now have a great relationship with my son.  Respect now grows between us that I never believed possible.  The rewards of treating him with respect and compassion are profoundly satisfying.

(reference: my tools for raising kids)

But God, some folks tell me, treats me the way I used to treat my son.  Hunh?!  What has happened here?  Have I grown past God?  Am I better at using compassion then he is??  Not bloody likely!  But if that didn't happen then the only other possibility is that God does not punish us, but instead uses infinite compassion and respect to guide us.  Why infinite?  Because that is how long he has been around.

"But what if God is not infinite?  What if he doesn't know everything?  What if he is like "Q" on Star Trek - The Next Generation?"

Then we clearly have the ability to grow past him.  And he is not "The God", but simply an "alien";  powerful, and maybe a lot of trouble, but someone who is our peer in at least some way.

And then you have to ask: who is it that this alien answers to?  Is there a God beyond them?  And this becomes the same question as before: is there an ultimate God or not?  Either there is a perfect Creator, or else everything, aliens we haven't yet met and all, are a big accident.  There are no Gods or powers in between that are really important - nothing in between that isn't some challenge that we humans are meant to understand or overcome.

Last of all, if there is a perfect Creator, could he have created us to be his toys?  Just for his amusement?  Or as some big experiment?  No.  A perfect Creator cannot be a child or a curious student, he would only have a perfect and profound reason for putting us here.



2. The potential for us to understand our universe is unbounded, and a perfect Creator would have absolute faith in us and respect for us.

So why is it that we humans seem to be the ones that have to enforce God's rules?  "Thou shalt not kill" reads the commandment, but folks go on doing it, and getting away with it too.  No special events or miracles consistently occur to prevent our mass killing sprees.  Why this seeming lack of interest on God's part?  Why does he seem to sit idly by and just "watch"?

Again, while raising kids, I've found that letting them face the consequences of their own actions (up to a reasonable point) solves a lot more problems, and it solves them faster, than when I stick my nose in and "help out".  One child will come to me and say "she hit me!" and the other will give me that sheepish or nervous look.  But if I respond with indifference to the fighting and hold them both to a higher standard: "hey, y'all can work this out between yourselves using respect for each other", then after a little time they do tend to work it out themselves.

Whaddya bet God knows about this one already too?

So I've encouraged my kids to resolve their problems by themselves many times and now I've got a new feeling about it - one that I didn't expect...  I now have faith in their ability to work things out.  I have a new respect for them, and when they look at me it seems like they respect me a lot more also.  I'll bet God has this kind of respect for us in spades.

"Hey, but up above you said up to a reasonable point!  Where is this point where you step in and take control?"  Yeah, I don't have the will power to let my kids run in the street and "learn" that cars are dangerous.  But then I've also got a fear that my son might die before he learns to be careful.  What is important is that this is my fear that interferes with his destiny.  I want very much for him to stay alive, too much to let him face all his consequences on his own.  And this is probably a bit selfish of me.  God on the other hand, I don't think has this selfish need, nor does he have any fears, nor does he care too much about what happens to our bodies.  From his perspective, I'm sure it's quite simply that "humans will be humans".


"Ok but absolute faith and respect is a pretty big chunk to swallow.  I don't feel God treats me like that." 

Yeah, I didn't either until one night I was staring up into space thinking about how it just goes on and on forever, feeling really small and worried like maybe I didn't matter much at all.  But then it hit me; maybe God made it all infinite so that I would never run out of things to learn?  Maybe he believes I have the potential, or clearly that we all have the potential, to learn it all!  Suddenly I felt a wave of respect wash through me.  What a challenge, what an opportunity!  Maybe infinity is a good thing after all.

But to learn everything?  I mean who would think that we humans can figure it all out?  Well, maybe a perfect being; one that has perfect faith in us.



3. We would exhibit some characteristics of a perfect Creator, but a perfect Creator would not exhibit any characteristics of ours.

What's the chance that God throws temper tantrums like a 2 year old?  What is the chance that he acts on impulses of vengeance and lashes out against us?  Not bloody likely!  I mean we are talking about at least a multi-billion year old highly evolved being here.  These emotional things are what we humans struggle with, not God.  For example:

anger We get angry when someone crosses over our line, or they take something important from us, or they hurt us in some way.  If God is everywhere then how can we possibly infringe on his space?  And If god made everything then how can we take anything from him that he can't simply make again?  And how can we hurt God?  Or insult him?  The strongest of us ignore insults, how can God be weaker than these people?  How can we betray him?  The most secure and assured humans understand betrayal as the fears and weaknesses of the betrayer, at which point compassion can arise.  Does God not understand this?  Do you think he actually gets pissed when we take advantage of him?  Wait, is it even possible that we can take advantage of him?  Kids reject their parent's ways all the time, refuse to worship or respect them, pay homage to other "idols" or things, but most parents understand what their kids are feeling - they were in the same shoes just a few decades ago; could God be less understanding than these parents?!? 

It doesn't make any sense to me that God can get angry, he simply has no reason to do so.  In fact, by suggesting he does get angry, we may even be insulting him!  (ie. we make him out to be less than he is)  Which of course wouldn't bother him either because I think he knows we are going to make these kinds of mistakes until each of us get it all figured out.

fear Fear happens when we are about to loose something dear to us.  How can God loose anything?  He created it all and he exists everywhere, so where can it go so that he can't have it?
jealousy Jealousy is a mixture of fear and anger.  Does God really get jealous of other gods?  Does he have that big an ego?  I think God knows we are going to dabble, try other things out, and that he even expects us to stray all over the place.  He just patiently waits for us to learn whatever we need to learn.  I mean which is more mature, jealousy or patience?  Which is the more likely attitude of a billion year old super being?
expectations Do you think God expects us to be a certain way?  Or that we have to do certain things else he will get angry or scared or depressed?  If he trusts us to be humans, and has planned for it in the way only an all-knowing being can, then I'm pretty sure he expects for everything to happen.
judgment Here is an interesting one.  When do you judge someone?  For example, someone pulls out in front of you and you slam on the brakes.  They have just endangered your life and you are first scared, and then pissed.  That is when the judgment comes...  Or in another situation perhaps you see someone who reminds you of say, your ex-spouse, and you quickly form an opinion about whatever they are doing? 

In all situations I think something happens first, and then the judgment comes second.  Or there is a lot of history, and then judgment happens spontaneously out of habit.  I think that only humans judge others because only humans do not know exactly what is coming next.  After it comes, then we judge.  But if God created and planned all this, then how can he be surprised at the choices we make?  Why would he judge us if he already knows the mistakes we are going to make?

deception Sometimes it seems as if God is being deceptive.  Some folks think it is deliberate (we are being tested), others are trying to explain his lack of action (why would he create everything and then hide himself?).  I suspect these are simply some of the challenges we get to figure out. It makes no sense for a perfect God to be maliciously deceptive.  When we humans do this it is to try and control each other.  God has no need for this.  It also makes no sense for God to have accidentally deceived us.  I mean what is it exactly that he didn't think of before he put this all into action?  The only rational explanation I can think of is that the size of our challenge is really really big and if he gave us obvious clues or hints than we couldn't learn everything there is to learn.  Thus he isn't being coy, he's just making us walk the full distance.
joy, excitement, curiosity, surprise I suspect the "positive" emotions would also be suspicious if found in an infinitely evolved being.  Humans use these to keep them selves going, rewards for work well done, and also as vices to distract us from stuff we don't want to deal with; none of these actions are at all god-like. 

By now I hope I've set a tone for a truly neutral divine influence.  One infinitely patient and understanding, one that doesn't go off the deep end when things go wrong, one that is infinitely "level headed".  Thus the positive emotions are equally unnecessary for God.

emotions in general Humans have emotions because stuff happens that we need to deal with and learn from.  We need to protect ourselves and others we care about, and we need to learn and grow.  Emotions help us do these things.  God shouldn't have a real need for any of them.

I've found that it is really really helpful to think about all my feelings about God after I found these.  I used to have many habitual things that I would say in my head when bad stuff happened.  Many of them came from the way I thought "the world treated me" like " the world is cruel" or "life is unfair".  But all of these needed to change once I realized I had a really twisted and stupid vision of what God was.  It took a lot of work, but my world is now much friendlier and brighter as a result.  This is some of the most profound spiritual work you can do: to redefine God.



4. A perfect Creator would ignore all distinctions among us.

prejudice (prčj´e-dîs) noun
1. a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts. See synonyms at PREDILECTION. b. A preconceived preference or idea.
2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions.
3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.

By now I'm sure you are getting the drift of my argument: there are mistakes (even honest ones) that a perfect God could never make.  In concept 3 I argue that a perfect God cannot get angry, and in concepts 1 and 2 that he must be raising his children with a respect and compassion way beyond anything we can imagine.  Here I'm going to argue that a perfect God treats each one of his children with equal respect and compassion, and that either we are all his children, or none of us are.  A good parent does not play favorites, a perfect God couldn't.

Some parents favor some of their children.  Some kids are so annoying that we have to force ourselves to offer them the respect and love that we gladly give to the more pleasant children.  But these are our failings (through impatience, frustration, and fears of what our kids will become or how other people will react to us and our kids), it is not the child's failing.  A perfect God could not fail in this way, nor care about other people's approval the way we do.

In all of the definitions of prejudice above, some human failing is the cause of the prejudice. 

  • judgment formed beforehand without knowledge or examination of [all] the facts
  • the holding of unreasonable beliefs
  • irrational suspicion or hatred
  • premature conviction of people

Allow me to add a few more:

  • rejection of people because they don't know enough
  • rejection of people because they believe something different

In every case of prejudice I have encountered there has always been hatred or anger involved at some level.  And then beneath that, fear.  If you insist that God favors some of us, then you must also agree that there are people on earth who are better than God, because some of us have learned to treat others with great equality.



5. We would be attracted to the purpose of a perfect Creator.

If there is a God, he must have some perfect reason for us to be here.  But he also must have some really great way to motivate us to fulfill that purpose.  I wonder what it could be....

How do we motivate our kids?  Candy, toys, money...  Does commanding them work?  Threatening them?  Revoking privileges?  When are they motivated more, when something is interesting, exciting, pleasing, or when something is boring, dull, or painful.  When are we motivated more??

Would a perfect being use fear to motivate us?  That is pretty cruel.  Would he use his authority and ignore or demean our personal interests?  Or would he create a system where personal interests are the motivation!

At the bottom of this page is a link that explores how at least one of these motivations might work.



6. A perfect Creator would be able to communicate with any one of, and all of us, and we would be able to communicate with a perfect Creator, at any time and under any conditions (unless through free-will we choose, or allow ourselves to be convinced, to not communicate with The Creator - see concept #2).

How old must you be to experience God?  How much must you know or understand?  Do you have to be able to read to know God?  Do you have to be able to hear to understand God?  What language must you speak?  Must you speak that language fluently in order to understand?

These are all quite silly questions once they are put into view.  Language is something humans developed to communicate with each other, a perfect creator would create a much more reliable and much less complicated way to communicate with each of their children.  They would have a perfect way and it would work no matter if we are deaf, blind, uneducated, illiterate, or completely cut off from the entire world.

Again this must be an all or nothing deal: God's ideas about how to deal with the important problems each of us face are probably available to each of us at every moment, maybe it is up to us to learn to see, trust, and use them.

And there is always free will.  We must be free to misunderstand, and free to ignore these ideas.  That is how we learn.  Get an idea, try it out, face reality.  Clearly learning things the hard way is an option available to us at every opportunity!  We cannot force our children to learn things exactly right the first time, nor can we expect them to learn it all quickly.  It is a process.  Their process.  And our learning is our process.  God is undoubtedly more patient than we are.



7. ALL paths would eventually lead to complete understanding of The Creator.

Every one of us is different.  Each one has had a different set of experiences, each one has come to different conclusions, and each one of us carries a different truth about spiritual matters.  We all learn things in a different order and in different ways.  Just as it makes no sense for all of us to be at the same point on the path, nor does it make sense for all of us to be on the same path.  I liken it to many people approaching a stadium from all sides.  No path is "The One Correct Path" because it depends on where you parked your car.

In reality however the paths are not straight either, but wind around, and sometimes lead away from the stadium, and likely often go in circles too.  But free will guarantees this!  We get to choose to go backwards, get stuck, and go in circles.  It must be this way, how else could we learn what happens when we go backwards?

So now suppose a soul wanders all around during their life and never makes it to the stadium?  Is their life and experience lost?  I believe not.  Because if they came into contact with anyone during their life, they had an influence on that person and something was likely learned or something was traded, even if it was ever so tiny.  Thus I suspect that it is impossible for anyone to have absolutely zero affect on everyone else.  And thus everyone always adds something to the world - even if they only leave faint tracks in the sand.



Imagining a better world

One possible motivation toward our purpose

Feeling based questions and answers


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